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Usenet Mac Digest     Saturday, February 6, 1988     Volume 4 : Issue 20

Today's Topics:
     GC Hyperdrive - Reliable ???
     MPW 2.0.1->2.0.2 Upgrade Info
     Serial Drivers (RAM and ROM)
     Re: Screen Dumping to a LaserWriter
     Finder 6.0 in "Scourge of the Killer Icons"
     Re: Delphi Mac Digest Volume 4, Number 2
     Re: GC Hyperdrive - Reliable ???
     Ethertalk and A/UX
     printing problem - HELP...
     Real estate pkg info requested
     Re: 4th Dimension
     Mac -> stereo
     Re: Font quality on the LaserWriter SC
     Re: printing problem - HELP...
     Expressionist (was Re: Equations (was FullWrite, Word, etc))
     Re: GC Hyperdrive - Reliable ???
     Re: macii programmers button
     Re: Mac -> stereo
     Re: stack sniffer evils
     YACC for the Mac / Mac II
     Anbody done analog data acquisition on a Mac II?
     Anyone using MacNET?
     Prototyper by SmetherBarnes

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From: [e-mail] (W. Michael Babineau)
Subject: GC Hyperdrive - Reliable ???
Date: 2 Feb 88 02:51:13 GMT
Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario

I am considering the purchase of a 20MEG hard disk for my MAC +. A local
dealer has a good bargain on General Computer Hyperdrives. I have
however, been getting a lot of bad vibes about Hyperdrives and GC in
general. I have seen comments in MACWORLD and have heard by word of
mouth that I should consider buying a different drive from a different
company. The dealer claims to have sold "tons of these drives" and has
yet to have anyone complain.

I would appreciate any comments from Hyperdrive owners or anyone who has
had any dealings with GC.

Thanks in advance...


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Bringhurst)
Subject: MPW 2.0.1->2.0.2 Upgrade Info
Date: 1 Feb 88 22:06:55 GMT
Organization: HP MicroWave Technology - Santa Rosa,CA

Could someone at Apple please post the list of fixes/enhancements to
both MPW C and Pascal versions 2.0.2 over versions 2.0.1 for those of us
who don't want to squander our $15.00?  Thanks in advance.

Gary Bringhurst

(DISCLAIMER:    My opinions are my own, except when they sound especially
        dim-witted -- then they aren't.)


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From: [e-mail] (Byron Han, fire fighter)
Subject: Serial Drivers (RAM and ROM)
Date: 2 Feb 88 16:14:44 GMT
Organization: Communication Tools Group - Apple Computer, Inc.

With regards to the serial drivers...  it is a VERY good idea to close
your serial driver when you are finished.  In other words, using
RAMSDopen and RAMSDClose are strongly recommended.  It is cheesy to
leave the drivers open when your application terminates.  Using the ROM
driver does not allow you to close it without causing people to become
sad  :-(

So,  1 - try and use the RAM based drivers
     2 - try not to directly open driver's by refnum (-6, -7, -8, -9)
          use their name if at all possible (.Ain, .Aout, .Bin, .Bout)
     3 - always always always close the RAM based serial driver when
           quitting your application.  There is a means to insure that
           DTR stays high when closing the serial driver.  Documented in
           IM IV.
--
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From: [e-mail] (Bayles Holt)
Subject: Re: Screen Dumping to a LaserWriter
Date: 2 Feb 88 17:36:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

>In Article 12911 (benjamin Waldman) writes:
>How can I screendump to the LW, then (in a way that would be compatible
>with the IW as well)?

The "FKEY #4" command for printing dumps of the Macintosh screen is in
the process of being abandoned in all Print drivers for the Mac.  There
are several reasons for this, which I can elaborate on if anyone is
interested, but for starters it just plain doesn't work under some
conditions not the least of which is:
  * low memory (applications assume 10k is plenty for any printer)
  * multi-finder (how do you print dynamically changing screens? 2
screens?)
  * self portraits (how do you prevent FKEY #4 nesting?) Though these
may be considered soluble at some level, it is not considered worth it
since low-level print driver calls are being phased out.

The recommended way of printing screen dumps is to execute an FKEY #3
(which saves the screen to a file) then printing the file like any other
bitmap file.  This is not only cleaner, its easier and is just as fast
as the FKEY #4.
--
--Bayles Holt
[e-mail]

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As always...
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From: [e-mail] (ephraim vishniac)
Subject: Finder 6.0 in "Scourge of the Killer Icons"
Date: 1 Feb 88 15:03:18 GMT


Running Finder 6.0, System 4.2 on a Mac II, I found this catastrophic
Finder bug over the weekend:

If the icon mask (second half of the ICN# resource) for a file is blank
(all zeroes), attempting to drag the file in an icon view kills the
Finder.  Sometimes it bombs, sometimes it scrambles the screen,
sometimes it just freezes solid - no mouse, no keyboard, no debugger.

To fix the problem, use ResEdit to open the file which provides the
brain-damaged icon.  Open the ICN# resources, open the offending ICN#,
and draw a mask.  Close and save the file.

The defective ICN# is also in your desktop file, so you can either
    (a) delete the desktop file while you're in ResEdit;
    (b) edit the desktop copy of the ICN# in question in ResEdit; or
    (c) hold the command and option keys while exiting ResEdit, so that
        the Finder will offer to rebuild the desktop.

The program in which I found the problem is Mandelbrot Microscope, a
color Mandelbrot set plotter.  Only the saved set icon has this problem;
the application icon and saved color table icons are OK.
--
Ephraim Vishniac                      [e-mail]
Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142-1214


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From: [e-mail] (ephraim vishniac)
Subject: Re: Delphi Mac Digest Volume 4, Number 2
Date: 2 Feb 88 14:56:34 GMT

Replies to two items from the Delphi Mac Digest, volume 4, number 2:

VASMUG asks:
> 3. Does anyone know what happened to ZAP Computer products?
>    They made and marketed ZAP harddrives last summer.  We
>    would like to buy some more.  Number now disconnected! Thanks for all
>    your help!
> Fred

ZAP sold out their products to some other company - I don't know who. I
was under the impression that they never did sell any disks under their
own name, since they only advertised in Icon Review :-).  At one time, I
was negotiating with ZAP for them to use my SCSI software. Could you do
me a favor?  Do a "Get Info" on one of your ZAP drives, or check the
title screen of the disk formatter, and tell us all what it says?  If
the Get Info says "Where: Ephraim's SCSI driver" or if my name is in the
copyright notice, it's time to call my lawyer...


TONYN asks:
> Subject: Disk Initialization of foreign drives

> I am the author of RamStart.  I am trying to make RamStart's RAM
> disk compatible with the Disk Initialization package so, eg, Finder
> Special menu Erase Disk will work.  What does my driver need to do
> to make Pack 2 happy? Where does Apple document it?  Also, it might
> be an advantage to my users to be able to make (at will) either an
> HFS or MFS RAM disk.  How do I control this, when a RAM disk can be
> nearly any size at all?

The most popular bug in device drivers is that they don't update
dCtlPosition in the DCE.  This only affects calls to the driver when
relative positioning is used.  The file manager always uses absolute
positioning, but _DIzero uses relative positioning to sequentially erase
the sectors of the volume directory on MFS disks.  I don't know whether
it uses relative positioning when initializing HFS disks, but it seems
likely.  The need to update dCtlPosition is documented in Inside Mac (in
the Device Manager chapter, or perhaps the Disk Driver chapter), but
it's just one sentence buried in a long paragraph.

BTW, every ramdisk I've ever seen for the Mac (except the one I wrote
for MassTech Development Labs, R.I.P.) has this bug.  It took me a
couple of weeks of experimentation before I hit on the idea that the
problem was with a particular positioning mode.

The only way to force a large ramdisk to be MFS is to build your own
volume header.  The sample ramdisk that was (is?) part of the Aztec C
distribution did this.  It's strictly against the rules, of course, so
caveat emptor.  I don't know any way to force a small volume to be HFS.
--
Ephraim Vishniac                      [e-mail]
Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142-1214


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: GC Hyperdrive - Reliable ???
Date: 2 Feb 88 21:13:07 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BUY A HYPERDRIVE!

That may seem a bit severe but you will be buying a product which is
highly failure prone from a company which has negative customer support.
 I have a long list of gripes with GCC, the most recent occurred when I
called to report a bug in their software and was told that there was no
bug and that I was wrong.  Needless to say the error is reproducible and
if the idiot at the other end of the phone knew anything about the
product he would have understood the problem.  Anyway, stay away.
--
                        Seth Goldman

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From: [e-mail] (Mahboud Zabetian)
Subject: Ethertalk and A/UX
Date: 2 Feb 88 22:20:38 GMT
Organization: Advanced Technology, Princeton University


We have an Apple ethertalk board installed in our Mac II.  When A/UX
gets booted, it says:  2 EtherTalk card(s) installed

And then it asks us for IP and broadcast numbers.  We only have one card
though.

Anyone know anything about this?  Even afterwards when I try to ping or
rlogin to other computers, I get either  connection timed out or network
unreachable. Are these problems related?  The manual is very confusing.

Thank you.

--
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183 Little Hall                     [phone]
Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544        [phone]
****** Anyone need a soon-to-graduate hardware/software engineer? ********


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From: [e-mail] (benjamin Waldman)
Subject: printing problem - HELP...
Date: 3 Feb 88 00:58:31 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

I'm having a problem in a program I'm working on, and I was hoping that
someone out there woud be able to help.  The problem involves printing.

After calling PrOpenDoc (to initialize a printing port), PrError()
returns an error -192, a resource not found error.  What could be
causing this? I've called PrOpen() to open the printer resource file and
driver, and this call worked (no error), and I've even put up the
printer job dialog and gotten a response from the user.
                    Thanks in advance,
                    Ben Waldman
                    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Boris Altman)
Subject: Real estate pkg info requested
Date: 2 Feb 88 21:48:24 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill


A friend of mine is looking for a Mac package that would do a real
estate analysis/evaluation. For example, if you consider buying an
apartment building or a shopping center you would input all the relevant
data and then ask for some sort of evaluation. An integrated package
would be preferable, but a template for a data base/spreadsheet would be
OK also. The cost of the package is not important issue. Please send me
mail if you know of anything like that. I will post a summary if there
is interest.

            Boris Altman
            {ihnp4,ucbvax}!ulysses!boris


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension
Date: 2 Feb 88 20:34:00 GMT

We began to use 4Dimension several weeks ago.  The first implementation
was used in our Denver office for  a way to keep track of artwork and
contracts in our Production department.  Very little programming was
done.  We took full advantage of the menu system set up in User Mode.

The response we have gotten from the users have been  pretty good with
the only gripe being, if more than one person wants to access the same
record, it tends to  freeze up until the first user is done with that
record. Another problem is the initial transfer of information into this
database.  It can take up to 12 hours depending on the information.

The good responses have been a variety.  Excellant search times.  Nice
looking reports.  Etc, Etc.

We then decided to use the software in our collections department in
Denver as a test place.  The screens  have been set up by one of our
excellant programming  specialists and through all the tests have proved
to be excellant.

My final recommendation, if you have the personnal that knows how to
work in C and Unix, can definetly take full advantage of this softwares
capability.  The multi-user aspect also is a nice feature.

                Bill Wisell
                ihnp!np4!upba!bill
                402/476-6478


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From: [e-mail] (Andrew S. Glassner)
Subject: Mac -> stereo
Date: 3 Feb 88 01:14:43 GMT

I'd like to hear my Mac on my stereo, but the fellow at the computer
shop said I should not simply use a cable with the appropriate plugs at
the two ends (mono 1/8" to 1/4"), though he couldn't justify this claim.
 He did make doom and thunder sounds should I be foolish enough  to
ignore his words (okay, too many spooky games!).

Can I connect my Mac Plus to my stereo?  How?

Thanks! -Andrew

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From: [e-mail] (Stew Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: Font quality on the LaserWriter SC
Date: 3 Feb 88 03:10:55 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bill Lipa) writes:
>Anyway, I would like to know how the high-quality
>fonts are handled on the SC, the QuickDraw LaserWriter. If they are bitmaps,
>I would imagine that you can't print the variety of sizes that the current
>LaserWriters offer at high quality. Is this true or do SC's do special font
>processing to alleviate this problem?

This is true.  It works just like an ImageWriter only more so - you have
to have the font four times the size for highest quality printing.  That
is, to print a twelve point font at highest quality, you have to have a
48 point font in your System or Suitcase file.
--
Stew Rubenstein
Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc.
UUCPnet:    seismo!harvard!rubenstein            CompuServe: 76525,421
Internet:   [e-mail]       MCIMail:    CSC


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From: [e-mail] (Stew Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: printing problem - HELP...
Date: 3 Feb 88 03:31:26 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (benjamin
Waldman) writes:
>I'm having a problem in a program I'm working on, and I was hoping that
>someone out there woud be able to help.  The problem involves printing.
>
>After calling PrOpenDoc (to initialize a printing port), PrError() returns
>an error -192, a resource not found error.  What could be causing this?

The printing manager calls many other toolbox functions.  The best way
to proceed with this kind of problem is to use your debugger's trap
trace or trap record function, and scan back over recent traps to find
the call to GetResource which is failing.  Then you can look at the
stack at that point to determine which resource it's trying to get.
--
Stew Rubenstein
Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc.
UUCPnet:    seismo!harvard!rubenstein            CompuServe: 76525,421
Internet:   [e-mail]       MCIMail:    CSC


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From: [e-mail] (Donald E. Carlile)
Subject: Expressionist (was Re: Equations (was FullWrite, Word, etc))
Date: 2 Feb 88 22:56:07 GMT
Organization: TRW Space and Defense Sector, Redondo Beach, CA

I purchased Expressionist as soon as I saw the five mouse rating MacUser
gave it.  I know MacUser has been criticised on the net for a lot of
valid reasons, but this tiem they were dead right.  Expressionist is
very easy to use, with great editing capabilities.  It has "rubber"
parens, brackets, integral/sum  signs, etc. ("rubber" means that the
entity grows at the same rate that the  enclosed expression does.)  Cut
Copy and Paste are all supported.  Matrices are supported.  Any font may
be used, though it is optimized to support Symbol, Times, and Helvetica.
 Vector overbars are included.

Editing is done in a standard text manner.  There are too many features
to  describe adequately.  It works.  It is the equation builder I
thought should have been built.  It can be run as a DA or a program and
produces PICTs that remember that they were built in expressionist when
they are pasted back in.

It is ~$80 and is available from Alan Bonadio and Assiociates, 1579
Dolores St., San Francisco, CA 94110.

Don Carlile

DISCLAIMER:  I have nothing to do with Expressionist except as a
satisfied customer.  I have nothing to do with MacUser, except as a
reader.  My views do not necessarily reflect those of TRW, except that I
have recommended  Expressionist strongly to everyone here :-)


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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Re: GC Hyperdrive - Reliable ???
Date: 3 Feb 88 05:29:03 GMT
Organization: Fictional Reality, uLtd

>>The dealer claims to have sold "tons of these drives" and has
>>yet to have anyone complain.

I'd find a new dealer. Fast. I'd doubt he bothers to listen to his
customers.

>>I would appreciate any comments from Hyperdrive owners or anyone who has
>>had any dealings with GC.

>DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BUY A HYPERDRIVE!

I'm not a HyperDrive owner, but I'd like to mention that when I was at
MacExpo, just about every time I walked by the GCC booth, someone was in
there complaining. This was the only booth where I consistently saw
people (existing customers) not only upset, but at times yelling. This
happened at least four times over two days, and it was never the same
set of customers twice.

The one time I stopped to watch to watch the sideshow, the person at the
booth did a couple of really nasty things. First, when someone asked for
the manager of the booth, the guy was told there wasn't one, and there
was nobody for him to talk to. Second, when the guy decided to tell the
booth lackey what he thought, the booth lackey walked off. Simply shined
on this customer and went elsewhere. This, rather understandably so,
pissed the guy off even more.

The final resolution of this case was that a person who worked for the
company that makes GCC's disk drives gave the guy the name of the person
at GCC to call. Not someone from GCC itself, they were all at the other
side of the booth telling people to ignore the idiot yelling in the
corner. It was one of their vendors calming him down and giving him the
information he wanted.

This sucks, to say the least. The GCC folks were only interested in
talking to prospective customers, and were not only unhelpful to
existing folks,were downright rude, unprofessional, and in one instance
abusive. If this is any indication of what the company is like, I'd sell
my Mac before buying their stuff. The only feeling anyone watching this
could come away from is that the only thing GCC cares about is getting
your money -- once they have it, your on your own.

And, for the record, it seems that their stuff breaks with every new
release of Apple's software. GCC was the first company with a mac hard
drive, and the last one to support HFS. You still can't run Multifinder
on their earlier stuff, because they haven't ported it in. As a
comparison, my ancient, cranky, Paradise 10 serial port runs Finder 6.0
and Multifinder just fine, thank you very much. And it ran a LOT less
than buying a GCC product would have. The difference? it is slower, but
it works.

If I were you, I'd buy anything else. And I'd find a dealer that tells
you truths, not what it takes to make a sale. Dealers love GCC. High
profit margins for everyone. Except for the customer.
--
chuq
Chuq Von Rospach            [e-mail]        Delphi: CHUQ

                       What do you mean 'You don't really want to hurt her?'
                                    I'm a Super-Villain! That's my Schtick!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: macii programmers button
Date: 3 Feb 88 03:18:00 GMT


This is a very good question for the new newsgroup
comp.sys.mac.programmer. How to install a programmer's button:

On every machine EXCEPT for the Mac II, the programmer's button goes on
the LEFT side, in the back, near the base.  Get a flashlight and look
into the ventillation slots of your machine.  You should see two buttons
between the louvres.  This is where the programmer's button goes (on top
of the buttons).

On the Macintosh II, the programmer's button goes on the RIGHT side of
the machine, in the back, at the base.  I found it with a flashlight.

The button near the front of the machine is REBOOT, at least on the Mac
II.  The button near the rear of the machine is DEBUG.  You can probably
test this with a penpoint.  Anyway, install your switches so that the
button labels match the appropriate buttons.

It is IDIOTIC POLICY not to document this in the macintosh user's guide.
 I have never seen a machine WITHOUT these buttons installed. Apple is
dreaming if they think they're doing someone a service! Every macintosh
owner installs this button.  In a macintosh lab, if need be, the system
administrator can avoid installing the buttons!

This oversight is as serious as not documenting the PRAM.  If Apple
would only write SOMETHING about these trouble spots in their manual,
maybe the traffic on comp.sys.mac would decrease by 50%!

Don Gillies {ihnp4!uiucdcs!gillies} U of Illinois
            {[e-mail]}


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From: [e-mail] (Gordon E. Banks)
Subject: Re: Mac -> stereo
Date: 3 Feb 88 14:26:59 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Lab., Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andrew S.
Glassner) writes:
>Can I connect my Mac Plus to my stereo?  How?

Radio shack has the appropriate plug.  We connected ours up, but... none
of the sounds we have are in stereo, so what exactly are you going to
listen to?  (A clink-clank in stereo would be cute.) Until some stereo
software comes out, you won't be able to take advantage of it.


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Cathey)
Subject: Re: stack sniffer evils
Date: 4 Feb 88 16:58:47 GMT
Organization: ISC Systems Corporation, Spokane, WA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roland Conybeare)
writes:
>The solution:
>    The ideal solution to this inappropriate bomb would be for Apple
>to have provided some way of turning off the stack sniffer.  The next best
>thing would be to do it ourselves.
>    My current solution is to replace the SysError() trap with my
>own version, which ignores 'stack in the heap' errors while passing other
>errors on to the original trap handler.  This means the stack sniffer still
>detects 'stack in the heap' up to 60 times a second, but my SysError() trap
>says the application managed to recover from the error.

The stack sniffer is easily disabled by placing a zero in the global
variable StkLowPt ($110-$113).  The sniffer code then ignores the stack.
 When you're done, you should restore it to whatever it was so that the
stack sniffer will start working again.  I don't remember where this was
documented, but it is a relatively well-known technique.
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From: [e-mail] (Paul H Dunham)
Subject: YACC for the Mac / Mac II
Date: 4 Feb 88 19:42:56 GMT
Organization: Siemens RTL, Princeton, NJ

I had asked if there was a YACC for the Mac, and I found MacYACC 0.3.
But, it doesn't work well, and especially poor on a Mac II.  Is there
another YACC or a more recent version of MacYACC than 0.3?

  Please respond by e-mail.

  Thanks,
    Paul H. Dunham

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From: [e-mail] (Barnacle Wes)
Subject: Anbody done analog data acquisition on a Mac II?
Date: 31 Jan 88 22:50:29 GMT
Organization: UinTech, Layton, UT

The test lab I work in is looking at moving our analog data acquisition
system from minicomputers (CCC ne Interdata) to micros. We have been
looking at D/A systems for the PC/AT bus ('386 box) and for the Mac II.

I would definitely prefer to do the programming on the Mac, but we have
not been able to find much in the way of D/A cards for the Mac II NuBus
yet.  Our requirements are for 6 16-bit channels, with a max speed of
100Khz per channel.  We will not be acquiring all channels at this
speed, but one or two at a time will be required at ~90K.  Also, we need
some sort of tape interface for storing the acquired data on. We already
have several good-quality 9-track drives, does anyone make an interface
board for these for the NuBus?

Any information this newsgroup can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Reply via mail and I will summarize in another posting.

    Wes Peters @ home
    {seismo,ihnp4}!utah-cs!utah-gr!uplherc!sp7040!obie!wes


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From: [e-mail] (Mark E. Perkins)
Subject: Anyone using MacNET?
Date: 4 Feb 88 20:10:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


    Is anyone using MacNET?  If so, what do you think of it? Is it
enough better than (or different from) Compu$erve and GEnie to make it
worth the bother?

    I already know that the rates are $8/hr, prime-time (7am-7pm), and
$4/hr, non-prime, and there is supposedly no extra charge for 2400 Baud.

    Please e-mail to the address below, and I will summarize.

    Mark Perkins
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Dibello)
Subject: Prototyper by SmetherBarnes
Date: 4 Feb 88 14:48:00 GMT
Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass.

    I would like some information about a program called Protyper by
SmetherBarnes. Has anyone had good/bad experiences?  Is it worth its
price? I am particularly  interested in its interface to Lightspeed
Pascal.

    I tried calling MacConnection, and other software houses to get a
price, but they knew nothing of it.  Is there a place to get it besides
SmetherBarnes?



                                                            Phil DiBello
                                                            Apollo
Computer

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